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Some of you may aware of the newest released feature by deviantART- that very long awaited widget/module/space for commission on your personal page.

Here is my thought about it, no, actually a serious concern where I posted there- please read it first: comments.deviantart.com/1/3477…


To add more: in my opinion I am quite disappointed with that new commission module which have quite childlish feeling (devART, IMHO, represents art as entertaiment which is pushing far away from art as a serious profession in our real world /where in effect many people don't take us, full time working artists seriously etc./ besides of Portfolio release where they did a good job. But when money is involved...) and that's pretty much fast-food commission for quick take and out (points, quick modul and price limit).
That addition of the price limit (which is very low) which may suggest to many young people about fixed general idea of price with art into mentality (art has SUBJECTIVE price, never fixed- and that's a very important point) and may bring in consequences the idea of art with low value.
I'm person with strong awarness about art's value and I can treat that module as fast-to-do-small-commissions (such like very small icon commissions) and treat it as fast-food thing to take out but many people aren't. They will think that professional commissions are leaded by like that (since it's called COMMISSIONS. Hey how commissions look like? DevArt shows THIS, is commissions. You charge art no more than 50 bucks and do with points), omgpoints and art should cost no more than 50$ /like a big painting with full background/.
Bear in mind, a limit set, 50$ may get stuck in many young, aspiring artists and not only as a fixed price limit of value of art in their subconsciousness!!

for example. if you all guys weren't living with art on internet but lived and explored art in real life, you'd probably learn a lot (I'm not talking about old masters but common artists from our times!) that art range value is counted in hundred dollars. As a young teenage that price will shock you but very fastly, being raised seeing with your eyes a number and two zeros or more will be coded in your subcosciousness that art has real value- and prices would be a common thing. But once we subconsciously see art with very low numbers (and devART is GRAND ART SITE!) and seeing a LIMIT (LIMIT= existence of FIXED price) may bring destructive consequences for many starting out and even professional freelance artists.


I have, as well many people, expected to have a professional commission widget.
When money, earnings and business what can make money is involved- should be treated professionaly and has to be taken seriously - not as take-out-fast-food version with stupid points as price and price limit /and devART doesn't deserve to name it "commissions" where art is charged with points and HAVE fixed price limit, it should be named mini-commissions. Think about how it will influence to subconsciousness to many learning artists here/.
Personally I don't have much problem with 20% profit for DA /thats different discussion/, IF commission module could be professional, with real tools, flexiblity for working artists (amateur/hobby-ist still can use it but they will learn a lot better about art business having real tools to work with than childlish ones) where artists decide since it's an open business, granted by devART team, that would be a really great thing and I think maybe devARt would deserve their profit for granting something like this- and especially idea of browsing artists is really great. But what now dA has released is a thing what can potentially ruin the market of art.


I'd really love to hear your thoughts and opinions, maybe there is something that I don't know- but that's for the best interest for us all, artists and career as an artist. Let's discuss friendly about it.


Here is bunch of links (important lectures) about the value of art in case if anyone isn't aware:

eskiworks.tumblr.com/post/2459…
exileden.deviantart.com/journa…
goldenwolf.deviantart.com/jour…
eskiworks.tumblr.com/post/3530…

[I believe there are much more but atm I can't dig up them]
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NicaRox2006 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I actually like the widget :3 I think it's nifty. It doesn't lessen my view on an artist's professionalism or work ethic. At all.
My serious concern is the fact that they take 20 percent off :grump:
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SEVMD Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Probably the issue everyone has is the number ._. the minute it goes over like.. 10 :point: they think its too expensive... Mine is pretty cheap sad to say but I'm still collecting points if possible and the total I have actually keeps me working on. Sometimes my watchers would commission me and thats nice.

yes I know a lot of people have issues with the point system but there won't be such thing as commissions to the majority of they don't have paypal. I want a paypal soon but I'm too young to get it soon, so I resort to point commission which actually I enjoy having. I don't like doing request even though both commission and request is drawing something that is new. Request is a bit like " Oh its free stuff"*throws in what they want and demand for it* I mean thats how I see whenever it comes to my taking request...
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CaledonCat Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah you're denfetly right with everything you say :nod: well i am one of this 15 year old hobby artists chargginh their best piece for 80 points although i wokr mamy hours on them and put a lot of thought into them
the problem is liek you already said that everyone thinks it is very much
i am not very popular yet and no one would pay much for my art :( so i sell it for a few points instead of getting nothing
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DupleSnowflake Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Student General Artist
You're setting yourself up for future struggles and failure. I used to do requests, trades, and point commissions. Now none of my watchers want my work for money. My advice is to stop that point business now.
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CaledonCat Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
What do you mean? That widget or Poont Commissions in genereal?
I usually doN#t do trades/requests they are just if I want to draw soethign but don't want to have the responsibility of making it perfect ^^
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DupleSnowflake Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student General Artist
I mean point commissions in general. And either way, they're a bad idea if you're serious about art.
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CaledonCat Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well I'm still quite young and I have no acces to a paypal account so I can't really earn money.I already got send some money for commissions with the mail but those were all from germany because than it would be too expesnive for sending just 4-8 € from america or england
though you are right!!! I really agree with you.I just don't see another possibility for me :(
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DupleSnowflake Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Student General Artist
What I'm saying is that if you're too young to have access to real money and don't need a secondary source of income, the best thing you can do is to try your hand at contests. Trust me. The point community does not respect you in the same professional way commissioners do. Unless you want to make a second portfolio account, it would be better to just enjoy doing what you like and competing for small prizes rather than ripping yourself off.
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CaledonCat Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah your really right :nod: I am already reducing how many commissions I do but I need some points for my PM ^^
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sheorun Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Student General Artist
I also noticed the problem with points. They would be acceptable if they were a represent of the real value behind them but not like this. Nobody buys a commission if you charge 1000 points or even more although it is almost nothing considering the real value standing behind it. This commission widget is just helping to establish things like they are since you can not charge in something else. I don't consider the idea behind points as that bad but the value they have is just horrible. Good I'm not alone with this feeling!
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