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Say NO to the Internet Prices

Journal Entry: Tue Nov 22, 2011, 9:09 PM
I've been observing a situation of the artist who courageously set up their prices on very decent prices (in meaning: no more 50 bucks full color image of yer characters! but almost 200$ one for her really nice character painting) where I felt so proud of her for being brave to set up the real price of the art. But I was also a witness of bunch of complaining people (mostly I noticed they were young) screaming that her art is not worth for shitload bucks.
I really wanted to slap faces of these people.
Really, who decide that someone's art is worth that price?


You do not decide how much wort is my art - as my work.
You do not know how much effort I've put into a piece, countless hours, stress, time, including also a years of practice and studies, frustration as well personal finances into the art materials.

Do you think my art is a fun hobby?
You do not decide if my art is a form of fun and what are real feelings with the artist while working on artwork as part of paid job.
It's no more scribbling like from the childhood.
Art is my job and a work where I have to pay bills.


You see my newest fully painted picture, where I greatly appreciate if you liked- however you're just seeing the picture with no effort, which suddenly popped up in your inbox and for that moment you gain the feeling like I am having magic powers to create a living illustration. I'm glad you are able to enjoy my artwork (as well others) with no effort.
However, I as an artist, in reality where no part of you can see- I put a hard work, many hours of sitting and painting till my back will scream at me for a break and stressing out a lot if I'll make on the time to work on next commissions.
Kind of unpleasant and typical stress like during the work.
Just think about the artist.
Especially one who is attempting into real artistic career and makes a living with the art.

Also I discovered one of common issues answering why the full time freelance artists are working on commissions forever and meantime having remaining list of unfinished commissions- are still taking new commissions. Also I've experienced that.
That causes lot's of stress and frustration for the artist and the Client.
Why?
Because of the "Internet prices".

If the artwork is charged for too little money than what real is deserved by, it leads to the "trap".  Example: if the artist earns about 100$ with a pile of work which worth 3 weeks of work makes artist impossible to keep up with finances which are necessary for living/or goals/, the stressed artist is forced (sometimes "silently", without online announcing) to take another bath of commissions for money needs and in that method artist is building up remaining list more and more, making an "endless" list of work and commissioners who ordered before are thrown to bottom. That system leads to destruction.
That's why I've seen artists doing major sales (they did amazingly detailed characters for very low prices) they left websites due to surreal stress with commissions and even more, having an endless list of remaining commissions, they attempt to disappear and not finishing any of commission.

If you are the artist who is working full time on art for living, PLEASE be realistic how much is your art worth and don't be afraid if no one will buy if is "too high". Your mental and physical health is more important.

Most of people on the internet are young, still being at the school, usually living with parents having granted food and living basics for "free" and mostly young people view art as a fun part coming from fandom and "hey I can draw that too!"… which is far away from the real ART realm.. deviantART is an universal community not only where people share art but fandom also. That's the internet. (PS: for the information: please pay attention that I marked NOT all young people are "like that" but it's in generic example. Of course there are older people who act like that. In general I'm regarding and what I've observed with the young people is the fact different experience and view on market.)

Lately I've met many non-internet freelance artists (who doesn't work via the internet and internet communities, majority they expose real art in galleries, meetings, conventions, illustrations for books, designers and doing jobs in real life forms) and mostly were specializing in wildlife and fantasy themes…  that's why I'm bringing that journal, to bring positive chances for the artists.
Do you really want know how much the real life artist takes for the painting?


I find that if someone is judging how much is worth art of certain person, is extremely rude and beyond egoistic without having a view from other person.
If you don't like the artist's price and think it doesn't deserve (nothing "doesn't deserve) from your opinion- simply don't buy and that's all.
Is that simple, isn't?
Commenting like that on public to artist is a childish act which is showing how you want to control and decide other's lives. Save it to your imagination.
Save your stress and eventually you'll understand why art is worth "that" much, and who knows, you might would want to come back and buy something from that artist where you disagreed their prices! :)

Also read this and my past journal about the price of art which may help you to find some answers :]
goldenwolf.deviantart.com/jour…
pearleden.deviantart.com/journ…


I'm calling to encourage artists for positive changes, to judge by themselves how much is really worth their own art (especially to overcome the FEAR which blocks to decide themselves, do what they really want instead pleasing and letting themselves others to decide for them) and other people to understand and respect the artist.
Peace :]

Soon I'm posting a new commission system, prices and information.

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Shiningbrightlight Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2013
The American economy has created this situation because this country does not have many well-paying jobs. Well-paying factory jobs have been replaced with low-paying restaurant and retail jobs. Moreover, the housing market crises caused the recession, which caused government workers to become unemployed. These job cuts have caused people to seek lower-paying jobs. As long as people are underpaid, they will always want cheap art. If a person is making seven dollars an hour, he will only make 281 a week. Would you be willing to spend 200 dollars on art if you made less than 300 dollars a week?
Underemployment affects all of us. When you buy items from a retail store, you are supporting a business model that causes people to want cheap art. Artists think that is wrong to want affordable art. However, they do not have any problems buying other goods from stores that underpay employees. You may be thinking, “how is that my problem.” It is your problem because you deal with these people every day, and their employers provide services and goods at prices that allow artists to have decent quality of life. For example, artists are able to afford restaurants because farmers sell their products at a low cost. Moreover, restaurants are able to offer meals for low prices because restaurants only pay waiters and waitresses two dollars and fifth cents an hour. 
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Denece-the-sylcoe Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree. :)
At first when I was thinking up prices, money commissions alongside point commission prices, I had 5 dollars for a (drawing or something) and then 20 points...well, :iconchimerasblood: reminded me that 80 points equals one dollar. I then realized that I'd be cheating my clients...one person would pay 5$ the other would pay for less than a dollar..I quickly changed that.
Thank you for the advice on pricing. :)
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Ilda28399 Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
well, as a young preson, i dont see like 200 € (im italian and cant get much the change of value very well sorry ^^; ) as a hight price. being an artist, and that means I put effort in my art, i try to improve and get better, makes me know that making art takes time and effort and i'm no one to tell someone that's hight. mostly because it helps paying bills and medical stuff.

about the stuff "having all free".. well, yes.. but i know how much tuffs cost and i tried to do commissions to help my parents (and also myself and my sister) but no one would commission me anyway because of the price. Because if its a request for free then its ok, but if you make people pay for your art itslike you are committing a crime ._.

Maybe i'm not ready for commissions yet, but there are some really good artists that sell at low prices and get nothing, and i think that's unfair

i think you did a great job making this journal and i also think you are right
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aquashiram14 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Student General Artist
Anyone have any tips on how to become a bit more well-known? I recently posted a journal saying that I'm open for commissions (and I am). [link]
But no one's asked me for anything :(
I mean, I guess I'm just being impatient and I should wait some more. I'm charging 2 - 10 points for stuff, which I guess is really cheap, but making the price that low gets more people, right? Or would I seem more self-respecting if I actually raised the prices a few points?
Feel free to tell me I'm being impatient and I should wait another month or so. I'm just kinda disappointed...
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Nahiru Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Mrm, I hate to be a downer, but after looking at your work, I don't think you're ready to take on commissions. Artists undersell themselves all the time on deviantart, and it's not hard to find someone with art of a higher quality selling at your prices.

I think you should work on becoming better & build up a fanbase while you're at it, but that's just my opinion. Take it or leave it.
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Kaneshe Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
It's a human thing, people complaining about anything.
Youtube is a good example of people holding discussions about left is better than right or controversial.

You are a very inspiring person, I can't believe that someone like you had a deep depression.
All your experiences makes how you are. Everyone has high and lows in it's life.
I don't read a lot journals and recently I'm turning my back on DA a little bit. (not viewing a lot art and letting everything pile up in the message panel)
Still from reading your journals, you remain a mystery from me and I can't define how your person is. Encouraging words are easy to say, but the story behind and what really happens is not always accurate in the mind.

Suddenly I wanted to read a few journals of you from seeing some of your beautiful sledge dog photo's.

Back to the first few sentences...human beings are rare kinds, some things can be explained and some not.
Following your heart is a good thing. I also don't know what I'm up to, but what I know is that the hardest events will go away and happy events will follow up.
A good thing from us humans is that we have a brain, we control ourselves, what we want to hear and not. Pretending is hard, but choosing friends and meeting (nice) people is way to long for.

Everyday can be the same, but even the slightest change can change the future.
People are people, so changing is inevitable.
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SeverusBlackpaw Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
OOH how I hate it when people want commissions for $5- $10 dollars or less and are grumpy when you say NO because it is to cheap. I actually take around $70 for a colored and shaded picture. I would not take less anymore as i also think a lil bit in money per hours like my real job is payed. Also because its no fun but a real job to draw a commission.
Alector always says I am to cheap but actually with my talent, its the max. realistic limit where I can go.
If i would be more realistic with the 10-12h I draw per picture, I would take $120-$150 dollar but nobody would buy it with my talent XD.
Also I hate those points that are getting more and more important here but the truth is, that I never get commissions here. Only on FA >_> .

I agreed with you fully. :D
And yes I know the prices out there. The real prices XD. But to be realistic, that is unrealistic with what I draw in that Fandom *g*
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CommanderWolf1 Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If I had the money I would pay those prices in a heart beat! You art is worth it! I'll have to start setting aside some money!
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SingingNight Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I've shared this journal on my facebook, hopefully it will make people understand that Art is just like any other job. As a propmaker, this is something i feel too, so thank you for this! ^^
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Goldenwolf Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
*hugs* Just...WORD sweety. You really nailed what is going on. I definitely think it is high time for artists to stop being whore and to be -artists- and respect themselves, their time and efforts, and their work. Thanks for writing this :)
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